Manufactured in russia, this product is great for target practice or range exercises. Notice almost all the steel cased ammo suppliers have switched over to polymer. Are zincplated steel cases better than brass cases. Brass for several reasons the number one is reloading. Brass ammo is generally considered to be better than steelcased ammo because. These rounds are an excellent and economical choice to keep your kalashnikov well fed at the range. Feb 14, 20 information on how to reload steel case ammo. The typical design of a steel case means the case is very prohibitive to reloading. Conventional wisdom says you cant reload steel case ammo, but reality says you can. Federal syntech bullets are now available as reloading components in 9mm. Our unmatched quality control, combined with our patent pending polymer cases will exceed your old expectations based on factory made brass ammunition. As far as i know the only reason for the polymer coat is to stop the steel from rusting. Question about loading 9mm with coated bullets 9mm38.
Apr 29, 2016 i put two boxes of wolf steel case ammo through my browning hp. Reloading steel cases how to reload steel case ammo. Polymer coated steel case ammo is also cheap and theres no need for the extra caution. Is polymer coated steel cased ammo going to be the wave of the future when it comes to ammo. I wanted to find out if the polymer coating on the russianukraine 7. The gps02s hardenedpolymer coated stainless steel legs have been proven strong enough and durable enough to withstand the weight of a 240 pound man standing on the deployed legs. The lacquer does not melt, but leaving a steel round in a hot chamber will cause that round to heat up and expand some, which may be leading to the hard extraction youre experiencing in that situation. The cartridge looks like a russian steel case head mated to the poly body to make a completed casing. May 21, 2018 i generally dont ever buy steel handgun ammo. Lacquer vs polymer coated steel cased ammo if this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the link above.
Originally founded as tula cartridge works in 1880, tulammo is the leading russian ammunition factory and currently produces ammunition for north, central and south america, as well as australia and several countries in the middle east. Polycase ammunition is a precision injection molding company located in savannah, georgia. Be sure to plunk test coated bullets in the barrel you are going to use. Many now are polymer coated, which gives off a horrendous smell when melted. Odd how they are often manufactured in the same plant the 223 is, anyhow. Bushies are notoriously bad with steel cased or polymer coated steel case ammo. An alternative to the polymer case head is to use a polymer case body, but with a brass, steel, or aluminum case head. This will probably cut reloading time down to a third.
Jirsa research report 49042 research project 74904 feasibility of hot dipped zinc galvanizing and other coatings for the protection of reinforcing steel conducted for the. Shopping for bulk ammo on cabelas, and i come across this brand of ammo called herters. Apparently, they buy russian ammo in bulk and then repackage it for the american domestic market. I would imagine pcs brass would be impossible to reload. The issue for me was the polymer coating the chamber when the rifle got hot. To prevent this the case must be coated with something, usually a lacquer.
Veteranowned and operated, polycase develops, manufactures, markets and sells premium, patentpending. I reload all of my hunting ammo and over the last 10 years have never had a failure. Also going to try reloading the cases with a light load and a hblwc projectile. Shooting wolf steelcased ammo in an ar15 the box o truth. Sep 21, 2019 this seemingly simple variation has caused a never ending stream of argument, discussion, speculation, and questioning from new and seasoned shooters alike. Most aluminium commercial blazer type ammo is berdan primed, also for this reason, to keep reloaders from using the weaker cases again. This is one of the reasons that lacquer coated not polymer coated surplus ammo is so cheaply priced.
Hitek polymer coated bullets for reloading badman bullets. I am reloading wolf steel 223 cases as a personal test, with jword bullets. No, brass cases give you a better gas seal and are reloadable. Best of both worlds, cheap steel cases with hornady powder and bullet. An interesting aspect of this cartridge type is that it fully functions like a brass casing, and is just as easy to reload multiple times as full brass. Jan 18, 2015 polycase ammunition is a precision injection molding company located in savannah, georgia. I fired over 500 rounds of the wolf steel case ammo through one of my ar15s my first ar before anyone told me not to use steel case ammo in it.
The blue bullets makes costeffective blue bullets for anyone who wants to enjoy shooting sports. You can use the second stage for a batch of cases to expand and flare case mouths andor drop power, again. Steel case typically needs some coating like lacquer or polymer coat. We believe this has been achieved with the introduction of our polymer casings for centerfire rifle cartridges. Frankford arsenal case prep power expansion kit with hardened high speed steel large and small primer pocket uniformer and crimp remover for reloading 4. Made from advanced, reinforced polymers, the grip pod gps02 is light. Apr 27, 2015 i also culled a lot of steel and zinc from the bucket. In my experience the lacquer coating is nasty stuff, it cost the same as the polymer so why not. That was a lot of work now, but when in a casting mood i have a bunch of clean lead ready to go. I actually did this very thing prior to running spent cases through my ultrasonic cleaner. Also, steel cases tend to use berdan primers, which are more difficult to reload. I ve read up on some sites that its a cheap alternative with low recoil for practical. Ive been reloading for a few years but new to cast bullet loading. Are there drawbacks to using steel case over brass case.
Heres something that may benefit pistol shooters, especially those who shoot steel and often shoot at indoor ranges. The projectile features a bimetal bullet jacket with lead. The older batches of hornady steel match used rougher polymer coated cases and i once had a lancer l5awm magazine jam when it was dirty inside. I put two boxes of wolf steel case ammo through my browning hp. Hornady is one of the most recent manufactures to introduce steelcased ammo into their product line, which seems to be a success. So, our team set out to test and determine what differences you can expect when shooting brass vs. It is the increased carbon build up with steel case ammo. Are zincplated steel cases better than brass cases quality. Whats happening here is that the steel wolf cases arent expanding enough to form a good seal when fired, so some of the dirty, carbonfilled gasses are getting between the case and the chamber, causing a build up of carbon in the chamber that is far in excess of normal.
One cannot use any type of reloading tool to deprime berdan cases. The polymer coating ensures smooth feeding and extraction. The polymer coat does not leave a residue in the chamber and receiver the way the old shellack coated cases diddo. May 27, 2017 i used to worked for a ar15 upper manufacture, which i wont name and had to warranty many of uppers that the owners had shot steel case ammo and found that the problem with that type of ammo is that the lacquer coating on the case can gum up the chamber which can lead to sticking or stuck cases, which in some extreme cases damaged the bolt lugs. Polymer casing information at engel ballistic research, we are constantly looking for new ways of improving the traditional centerfire cartridge, which has been around for over 100 years. I was advised by the gun store owner that steel cased ammo could lead to premature chamber and feed ramp wear, and have since stopped using it. Purchase a new stainless steel case for your iphone. Then look for some other inexpensive alternatives, like aluminum or even brass that has polymer coated or plated bullets. I have no experience with polymer of powder coated bullets, but have some experience shooting molly coated bullets. The newer polymer coated stuff seems to work especially well. Really accurate stuff too, i found it to be on par accuracy wise with the regular brass hornady 55 hp load in my pws mk114.
It is loaded with either steel jacketed lead core bullets or copper jacketed lead core bullets. We provide a variety of loads optimized for each bullet and caliber that offer the performance of your favorite handload without the time and effort to produce them yourself. I dont use lacquered steel cases, just the poly coated ones. Steel cased ammo an epic torture test lucky gunner.
Today, steelcased bullets can be found in a variety of calibers. Ive heard of a few that run some, but most just dont like to chew it up. I keep checking my extractor, figuring the steel case would be harder on it than brass cases, but so far, even after a few thousand rounds of sc, i dont really notice any more wear than with brass case. Brass, a softer metal, is easier to work in the press than steel, and because its more flexible, will likely last through more reloads. Developed for military use and made from advanced, reinforced polymers, the gps. Note that wolf ammo has a 100% performance guarantee. Not a huge fan of blazer ammo either, but mostly because its dirty and more velocity than i want for gun shooting games. Now that i think about it, about 1015 years ago, i bought several cases of polymer coated wolf steel case 223 that had copper no steel bullets. Wolf has been using polymer coated for a long time. I must have used about 3k of this steel ammo and i cant see any sign of wear or damage.
Steel case vs brass page 11 the leading glock forum and. Another issue with steel cases is that they are not as universally reloadable as brass cases. The process to make our polymer coated bullets is a little slower and time consuming but well. For me its definitely worth reloading, but if you are a busy person, or make a nice salary, it may just make sense to buy loaded ammo. I have a very good local supplier whose lube rarely exceeds the lube ring. Steel case ammo is available in a wide variety of calibers these days and has become. Consider keeping the brass and selling it to a reloader at a nice low price. I would imagine pcs brass would be impossible to reload, which would make the ammo next to worthless to me. Feb 14, 2008 one cannot use any type of reloading tool to deprime berdan cases. The poly acts as an insulator that allows the chamber of machine guns to run cooler. The truth about steel cased ammunition azweaponcraftprepper.
Question about loading 9mm with coated bullets sign in to follow this. Hornady says that they get the cases from an outside vendor, id be willing to bet that its wolf. I used to worked for a ar15 upper manufacture, which i wont name and had to warranty many of uppers that the owners had shot steel case ammo and found that the problem with that type of ammo is that the lacquer coating on the case can gum up the chamber which can lead to sticking or stuck cases, which in some extreme cases damaged the bolt lugs. Steel case vs brass page 11 the leading glock forum.
I am using a box of 20 as a test case because i can and also like to tinker in a break open firearm. Federal offers syntech polymercoated bullets for handloaders. I have never used lacquer coated cases, but had a problem with herters polymer coated cases. Our bullets are specially purposed for competitive shooters who need an accurate bullet with no barrel leading and no smoke. Discover why using our polymer coated hard cast lead bullets are the best.
Polymer coated steel cased ammo gun and game the friendliest. Does shooting wolf ammo in an ar result in the lacquer or poly being deposited in the chamber, resulting in stuck cases. Steel case ammunition will not wear out your ar faster than brass case ammunition. This is due to the fact that the manufacturing process and tolerances are. Why can aluminum and steel casings not be used for reloading. Steel 223 ammo the firearms forum the buying, selling or.
It is not lacquer or polymer coating on steel cases that is causing stuck cases. Hornady is now loading match grade ammunition in steel cases. I tried 500 of the 124gr coated round nose from mbc over 5gr of power pistol. Corrosion performance of polymercoated, metalclad and other rebars as reinforcements in concrete by p. Shop through thousands of designs for the iphone 11, iphone 11 pro, iphone 11 pro max and all the previous models. Dec 23, 2011 i personally dont like lacquer coated ammo, with the way i run my ar and with steel cased polymer coated and brass i havent had a single problem. This polyperformance ammo features polymercoated steel cases nonreloadable. Different coating options available on the steelcased ammo lacquer or polymer. This is one of the reasons that lacquercoated not polymercoated surplus ammo is so cheaply priced. Personally before i got into reloading i used the cheapest dirty steel ammo i could get my hands on.
Initial testing has proven the polymer coated bullets to be more accurate with a dramatic decrease in smoke. Jul 05, 2018 federal offers syntech polymercoated bullets for handloaders. Initially melting the weights is the nastiest part of the job. Anyone have any true experience with both lacquer and polymer coated steel cased ammo in an ar platform. The process to make our polymer coated bullets is a little slower and time consuming but well worth the effort for those looking for such a product.
I have personally had issues with the wolf polymer coated ammo in ar15 rifles. The advantage is in cost of shipping ammo and the ability of the g. Nevermind how steel cartridges react in the chamber of a. After cleaning, you can pick up where you left off an resume reloading. You can learn more about the reloading process here. So on to your question, ive fired tens of thousands of rounds of lacquered steel, and nickelplated steel, and polymer coated steel. These variations are likely explained through a combination of load pressures and quality of the case i. Polycase ammunitions innovative polymer bullet design.
Those that have been successful to my knowledge have been with wolf, not tula. I also culled a lot of steel and zinc from the bucket. So if you are running an ar series rifle and want to take advantage of the cheaper steel case ammo, what do you do. I cant say i have ever had problems shooting steel cases ammo but then ad i have said i. While reloading steel is possible, reloading brass is far easier. I cant say i have ever had problems shooting steel cases ammo but then ad i have said i dont have much experience except for rifle cartridges.
Used for sporting and training, this load shoots well in various climates and weather conditions. Premium polymer coated bullets for reloading badman bullets. Hornady is one of the most recent manufactures to introduce steel cased ammo into their product line, which seems to be a success. The grip pods legs deploy at the push of a button instantly. The polymer coated bullets can be pushed faster with no leading. Corrosion performance of polymercoated, metalclad and. It also means that you are less likely to accidentally burn yourself on spent cases laying on the table or ground as spent cases are cool to the touch. How to reload steel case ammo guns, holsters and gear. Today, steel cased bullets can be found in a variety of calibers. Steel 223 ammo the firearms forum the buying, selling.
Although brass is the most common metal used for ammunition cases, steel cased ammo. In addition, the coating helps prevents the steel cases from leaving marks on your shiny metal parts or painted stocks. I have been kicking the idea of getting some polymer coated bullets for my next order. The electroplated steel remains noncorrosive and is very strong so youre essentially getting steel with all the characteristics of brass. Many shooters report steel cases only make it through one or two reloads. The different projectile loadings available copper jacketed. In most cases the steel cases are just fine for every day use. Jul 03, 2011 no, brass cases give you a better gas seal and are reloadable. Polymer cased ammunition has also proven to be more accurate than brass cased ammunition.
Reloading ammunition, ammunition, reloading presses, lee precision, dillon, hornady. The one minor experiment i did with reloading indicates to me that the steel cases will not reliably grasp the bullet upon reloading, and personally i dont think adjusting the crimp or the expander plug will help any. They were in regular wolf packaging and i was surprised about the nonmagnetic bullets. The grip pod is manufactured from aerospace materials to exceed military specifications for construction and finish. I know it can be much dirtier but i typically wont shoot more that 500 rounds each range trip and clean all my guns after every range trip also. This can either be a lacquer or, more recently, a polymer coating. I shot 100 rds of 115gr rn gateways yesterday, half with 4. Lacquer vs polymer coated steel cased ammo uzi talk.
Hey all ive done a fair amount of searching on the forums for load data using missouri bullet co hitek coated bullets, and had a couple quick questions. Sure, reloading brass cases are much easier, but you can reload steel cases. This is a discussion on newbie hand loading questions within the reloading forums, part of the firearm forum category. About 10 years ago i remember the shop that i used to work in sold polymer cased. However, the wolf cases are soft, polymer coated and prob fine when used one time as designed. Check out the instock lineup of polymer tip and ballistic tip bullets for sale at. Since then ive heard that the newer polymer coated steel cases have eliminated that problem.
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